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Alienation Interferes with caring feelings 
between Parent and Alienated Children

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Webmaster's note:  This thread illustrates the intensity of emotions involved in divorce, child custody, visitation, allegations (from both or either side), and the potential for alienation--- and the devastating effects of alienation.  Last names have been removed - a similar story could be told by thousands of parents about their ex-spouses.

 

Post # 00000662
children not allowed to bring their love to surface
From: a mom who lost daughters, to ex husband who is an abuser
Remote Name: 150.142.235.157

Comments  [none were written here in the first post of the thread]   (Last changed: February 26, 2006)

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Post # 0000066f
children not allowed to bring their love to surface
From: 
Remote Name: 68.98.77.234

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I understand. My child is not allowed to tell the (emotionally) abusive father that s/he doesn't want to be with him. Just keep strong and let your children know that you will always be there. 
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Post # 00000670
Re: children not allowed to bring their love to surface
From: emotionally abusive ?
Remote Name: 64.12.117.9

Comments
please explain
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Post # 00000676
Re: children not allowed to bring their love to surface
From: 
Remote Name: 140.198.26.28

Comments
What do you mean your child is not allowed to tell her/his father? Is there some kind of court order that prevents it? Does dad refuses to listen to the child? If the father is abusive can't you go back to court or something? Every state has some form of child welfare department, surely yours must have one. I wish I could be of more help. As you said, stay strong!  (Last changed: February 26, 2006)

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Post # 00000677
Re: children not allowed to bring their love to surface
From: falsely accused
Remote Name: 64.12.117.9

Comments
It is time to expose the writer of this thread for what she is...A CHILD ABUSER ! The author Roberta [last name removed] and her accomplices Patricia [last name removed] and twin sister Mary [last name removed] have told lies to my daughter Brandie [last name removed] and now the son Devin Patrick  [last name removed] of Michael  [last name removed]. Yes , the family even attempted to keep the  [last name removed] name off of Devin's birth certificate. They have in fact filed Orders of Protection under distinctly false pretenses in both cases to keep the children from the fathers.  In the case of Michael she did this just 5 days after purchasing a home together....and yes people she still lives there ! Roberta , the mother of both Brandie and Devin has been manipulated and controlled herself by a sadistically demented grandmother Patricia  [last name removed]. The grandmother who was allegedly molested as a child has meddled in each of her children's lives to the extent that all of the spouses are labeled as bad. The only men left in her children's lives are the very ones she in fact can manipulate and control. The entire family is a group of Obsessed Alienators that will in fact soon be exposed within the legal system. Roberta, to aid in her plight of alienation signed off on child support in November of 1989 waiving all support past and future (documented proof available) she even attempted to do same with Michael  [last name removed] attempting to sign off on support in trade of lack of visitation of Devin.. This mother has in fact taken 2 infant children, one under a month old and one 3 months old from their fathers under false allegations of Domestic Violence. The only violence existing in their lives is of the fictional type intended to scare children away from their fathers. Roberta has hidden my daughters address and phone number for nearly 21 years. There in fact has NEVER been violence in my life as she alleges. The pattern of behavior she has in fact established is a near mirror image between myself and Michael  [last name removed]. The  [last name removed] family has in fact perjured itself in court many times when in the hearings of divorce and custody with Michael  [last name removed]. The stress caused in their wrongful allegations and arrests of Mr.  [last name removed] have caused him to suffer a minor stroke. It isn't bad enough they have accomplished this they now teach Devin his adorable son to act out his father's disabilities. The actions of this  [last name removed] family are deplorable and certainly child abuse and Parental alienation. After more than 400 emails and now daily phone contact with Michael I assure everyone reading this that he has the best interest of his child in mind. This man loves his son dearly and lives across the street from him yet Devin can't even say HI to Daddy when it is not his visiting time.  This is a sign of true alienation efforts.The other alienating fact is Devin cannot speak to Daddy on the phone except during his parenting time. Recently, Michael had occasion to inquire about Devin's activities, upon doing so he became startled by the fact these people that teach Devin didn't even know he had a father. He has 10 hours a week visitation of which he is accused of multiple things including making his son fat. What 4 year old needs to know about carbs?...this child should in fact be having fun with both parents as he grows the baby fat will take care of itself. Mother attends Weight Watchers as she has a reason too but a child that is not obese does not......not only are these people alienators I suggest these people are also obsessive /compulsive as the mother cannot sleep and washes her hands continually. The signs are several that the internal mental abuse of each other is the true problem here. The family has in fact moved from state to state together while hone schooling Brandie to keep her off the radar screen of being found as a child. The mother indicates Michael and I are emotionally abusive. It would stand to reason for a father to be emotionally abusive he would in fact first have to spend time with the child. I have NEVER spoken to or seen my child Brandie in the almost 21 years of her life yet I am emotionally abusive. I suggest any emotional abuse with my name in it has been done at the hands of these alienators. Telling her through the years that if she didn't like it there they would call Doug ....I was used as a weapon in their sick demented game ..therefore rendering my daughter against me. Then when they feel they accomplished this with Brandie they start in on Devin........This child is mentally tormented into not wanting to be with his father by Roberta, Patricia and Brandie and Mary and any other person they wish to employ. Tell me. What mother is a school teacher and doesn't send her own child to school? The system is in fact good enough to teach other children in and be paid by........When people wish to control and manipulate they do so by removing outside influences that could witness or stop such abuse. I have no contact and Michael has 10 hours per week.........tell us we are the abusers .....please give us a lesson in how we accomplish such feats in so little time..........Doug  [last name removed]  (Last changed: February 26, 2006)

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Post # 00000678
Re: children not allowed to bring their love to surface
From: falsely accused
Remote Name: 64.12.117.9

Comments
the following is a link to the public record of Roberta's divorce from Michael.....note the number of protection orders quashed.  The undue stress she caused from all of this is indicative of her abusive behavior.   [link to this divorce information was removed by the webmaster ]  (Last changed: February 26, 2006)

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Post #  00000749  
Re: children not allowed to bring their love to surface
From: wanting the truth
Remote Name: 205.188.117.132

Comments
Again the  [last name removed] family strikes....more lies and deceit. Keep with your lies and someday even you will believe them......I doubt seriously a judge will.   (Last changed: February 26, 2006)

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Post #  000006cf
Re: children not allowed to bring their love to surface
From: hopeful
Remote Name: 68.98.77.234

Comments
My friend is going through the same thing with her young child having to see a father and the child doesn't want to. It is torture to see this child go through crying to not be away from mom, and her having to say it's the courts who make up the rules. I hope the best for you. I hope also that my friend's child doesn't have to be near this man much longer.  (Last changed: February 26, 2006)

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Post #  0000066d
Re: children not allowed to bring their love to surface
From: 
Remote Name: 151.198.148.214

Comments
My friend is going through the same thing. Like you, she's heartbroken and ready to give up. She's lost her three children to a sociopath and yet the courts still believe him. The kids have no friends and are failing in school. I can't understand how someone can be so blind that they can't see how they are ruining their children!!!! I hope you can get your kids back and you're in my thoughts!   (Last changed: February 26, 2006) 

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Post #  0000066a
Re: children not allowed to bring their love to surface
From: Me
Remote Name: 69.145.26.198

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This is happening to me now. I was married to an abusive male and now and for yrs the parent alientation is so bad that my kids are telling lies about me please e-mail me we could talk and maybe find some solutions or maybe some peace of mind Pennipilloocity@yahoo.com   (Last changed: February 26, 2006) 

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Post # 0000074e
Re: children not allowed to bring their love to surface
From: get a grip.........hopeful !
Remote Name: 205.188.117.132

Comments
You and the group your associated with believe men are to be discarded. You are users and truly care not about people. You attempt to belittle men. When the men dont bow down to your desires then you threaten...Ill put you in jail....make me laugh.....you are a group of sick individuals....and I challenge you to just for once tell the truth.....someone might begin to listen your lies and games will no longer be listened too. Your role as Goddesses of Domestic Violence is a joke......The men in your lives never used violence in their relationships......I find it strange........My relationships are long term.....yours are very short......and well planned with intent to do the men harm. Go spew your nonsense to someone who cares....certainly nobody here cares as you are alienators that with agforethought intend malicious action and lies for personal gain. Go grow up !.....Men are here to stay......I may never know my daughter but I am not the one living with the guilt.........you are.....  (Last changed: February 26, 2006) 

 

 

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